Wednesday, December 7, 2011

Debunking the House of Finch

Here we go,

About three-ish years ago there arose a pan-sexual music bazaar that goes by the name of Finch House Records.  Finch House Records has created a bit of an indie empire for itself over the last couple years thanks to bands like Fancy Rat, The Equines, and Cats in the Basement.  Here's the problem with the methods they have used to garner their following:  by hosting 62 shows a week under the facade of a third party booking group called The Closet they have made it increasingly difficult for bands that don't fit the circus-pop genre to have a draw.  A very brief look at the principle of supply-and-demand will tell you that in the very near future nobody will be attending even the esteemed Finch House shows.  Now, according to their facebook page they "are committed to showing there is a young, hip cultural scene of substance in South Florida."  That's a really cute statement, but it would be more accurate if it read "we are committed to showing that there is a small group of insular young people that fancy themselves hip and cultured in Sarasota." That way people won't get the idea that Finch House is open and accepting of everyone. For despite their gregarious personalities and hippy vibe they are really just as judgmental as anybody could be. Obviously the name of the game when booking a show is to play with bands that share some sonic qualities, but if they think Sarasota has a large enough circus-pop market to support seven days a week of the same shit then I have to wonder if they would be doing everyone a favor if they just played shows in each others living rooms (which I'm sure they have done in the past and will continue to do from time to time in the future). So before you easily offended people comment that they've "done so much" for local music, you should ask yourself how much they consider the livelihood of other bands. Finch House is just a clique that's tried to substantiate itself by overloading our venues with their music.

But hey, at least Sarasota's pop-punk scene finally died. That one was rough. I'd much rather have a bunch of inane music than a bunch of boys with $200 haircuts.

My advice to Finch House? Stop playing musical-chairs with your lineups and take a step back to look at the big picture. You shouldn't have to wait for an angry coward like me to point these things out to you. It's time to be adults and think about more than yourselves if want to be a positive force for the entire Sarasota music scene.

Daedalus Aflame

191 comments:

  1. Wow whoever you are..the day you reveal that info Im sure alot of people will be buying you drink after drink!!! Who cares about the 12 person lynch mob who hates you saying what everyone in this town is thinking! I can't wait till this "scene" dies and things can go back to being supportive and talented again!

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  2. As long as the drink is at the blue owl...

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  3. I must say, this is the only accurate entry you've posted thus far.

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  4. This makes me sad, so much effort to tear something creative down, hey writer you must not have much of a life, or no legs to get you ass out of your house and go enjoy some amazing music by amazing musicians and bands!! Shame On YOU!

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  5. Well said but I think you take this post even deeper. There's a false sense of success with the whole Finch house thing that falls back to your original post which mention the bloated egos. Do they make any money? Does anyone make any money or is it just a facade?

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  6. and then again it is art! we live in a art community,a rather large one at that, expressionism and creativity, it's a piece art of music...it doesn't need to be torn down...

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  7. Calling envious bullshitters...December 7, 2011 at 7:56 PM

    I can understand the clique comment. That being said, the founders of finch house are the kindest people I've met in this scene, and they will lend anyone their ear and time (and booking). That is, unless you're a complete dick.

    Once again, stop trying to ruin others' endeavors. It serves to show that you are not earnest in trying to improve things through your own contributions. Also, it shows how all of your feelings of exclusion are because you have not even tried to establish a rapport/dialogue with the people you talk about (your postulations on their intentions and attitudes has proven you dont know any of these people).

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  8. a "false sense of success" depends on your definition of success. maybe they don't want to make bank. by establishing an institutional presence in SRQ and working closely with The Closet they've created a salient entity within Sarasota's scene that other acts and communities can communicate with. a conduit for traveling and local acts based on a particular stylistic school may justly be called a clique, but that they invigorate the scene can't be denied.

    where's your locally founded record label? where's your roster of touring friends with whom you can help populate a show? where are your locally produced and released records? maybe their scope is small, but they've struck out on a path that i sincerely hope more will follow. i do believe in sarasota's chance to grow - but, it will take more chutzpah and DIY spirit of the type displayed by finch house if we want to head somewhere better. anti-circus pop label, please open up. then we can have a healthy dialectic of style for younger people to emerge from.

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  9. I love what you are doing. There is a core group of people in this town that say the original music scene is exploding here...but if you don't fit their "standard", or kiss their ass, or are in their circle of friends...they shun you out...no matter how talented and how great a response your band gets. This includes a very specific writer from the ticket-Sarasota...some very very medicore bands...and some very sucky bands. Thats why most decent bands from here play outside of town...the tampa bay area...where the scene is more open and alot more welcoming to real talent.

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  10. I could go on and on on how such crappy local "artists" get more attention...yeah...i know....its music and it is subjective...but when someone can't sing and is full of himself because he gets mentioned in the crappy sarasota ticket....thats why this scene sucks.

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  11. You know... you could just move somewhere else if you find Sarasota's music to be in such bad taste.

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  12. This much seems welcome from both side: let's move from the process of drumming up recognition in all corners - which has, indeed, expanded the offering of acts - to being more critical of both self and other. Yes?

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  13. Thanks for having a few too many beers tonight and telling me who you are tonight.. MARTY MC PHERSON...it's amazing that you seem so cool and pull crap like this off.... dude< you lived in my house..with my kids... I am hurt!!!!!! We are just trying to do what we can to make local music good!!!!

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  14. I feel the next pseudo-intellectual "Creative" that should be explored and critiqued more closely is The Closet.

    "The Closet" from what I remember in the day was a half-assed keg party in a closed clothing store. And by clothing store, I mean an 6x10 room. Once the original space was shut down, it set up shop illegally in a warehouse or something. After being shut down again, it essentially started playing at random places under the guise of "The Closet" because it can't find a place for its own or acquire a legal license to sell alcohol.

    Maybe it's changed, and a more in depth review is needed.

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  15. This is the best blog! Sarasota needs this real bad....don't let second rate writers from the Ticket or some local emo twenty something kid with eyeliner sway you from what you are doing. You are doing the right thing!!!

    Looking forward to the next blog!

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  16. Touring bands? Three bands with the same members, how many nights can we headline shows and only play for the same fifteen people? I agree this needs to be looked into, no checks and balances. Let's see diversity, or not just playing songs you wrote five years ago.

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  17. Hey everybody!!! Doesn't it feel good to get involved and take a stand??? Whether or not this blog keeps going, let's bring this energy over to SarasotaMusicScene.com ! Everyone is welcome to signup and make blog posts, start a discussion in the forum, post comments, etc. Let's keep talking about local Sarasota music and what it means to you!

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  18. Don't blame the Finch House/Closet people for this "problem"...the issue comes from the venues. They book shows through people who they know will draw a crowd. There is little regard paid to actual quality and diversity of music. The people running the shows at venues are trying to make money and get people in their bars (they also care about music! don't get me wrong here...). They know that music and these movers-and-shakers will accomplish them. They don't care if it's generic indie-surf-party-rock-shit 7 days a week if that's what's selling beer and getting attention.

    If the people who own the stages and the sound systems can start growing some balls and taking risks with new acts, you'd see a lot more diversity and activity. New bands means new groups of people, new cliques, new friends of bands, new hot chicks who didn't go to local shows.

    So don't blame Finch House or the Closet for finding a comfort zone...because yeah, they are trying really hard to bring in bands from out of town. Blame the venues for getting so comfortable with such a limited set of booking contacts.

    If you started a band tomorrow and wanted to play a gig in this town...where would you start? Do you call the cock n bull's land line? Do you email the blue owl? Drop off a demo at Pastimes?
    These guys figured out what makes the local moneymakers tick, and they're both enjoying relative mutual success. But yes, it is a closed system for the most part.

    So, how do we fix it? We need a counterpoint, basically. It can't be done with just one band. For example, Lion Choir. Great local band with a lot of potential, but who do they play with? They won't draw a crowd by themselves, but with a couple other budding bands within a similar sonic territory...they might stand a chance if they stand together. Pink fucking Floyd could reincarnate in Sarasota tomorrow and fall flat on their faces without a couple of important things going on: A) Online presence. This is 2011. Your musical audience should be international, regardless of ability to play shows that aren't local...we'll get there when we get there. B) Bands working together (big part of Finch House success) and C) Don't really on the houses of $6 beers to get a bunch of young people out to have a good time. Do your own thing (The Closet is in limbo here to some extent..they tried this and failed due to popularity and press. They need help or they need to learn how to keep a better secret.)

    I'm not saying anybody doesn't care about the music..I think the bands, venues, and fans all care about the music in different ways...



    IF THIS WAS TOO LONG FOR YOU: Blame the venues for a stagnant scene and shows booked by only a few different people. Blame the musicians for making excused and whiny fucking internet blogs instead of actually taking action and making things happen for themselves.




    Good conversation starter...try to be less of a douche though. I'm going to sign my name on this post, because I stand behind everything I've said here and did my best not to offend anyone who has supported me on my own musical journey. I'm sure many of my points will be misconstrued and people will slash my tires...but it is what it is.

    Note: I don't claim to know what I'm talking about and can only speak from personal experience. Not that mine has been negative, but I can see how it could be for others.

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  19. If you want your band to make it to any sort of level beyond SRQ bar gigs with 5 people watching you and the other 20 dicking around with their friends you have to play outside of Sarasota. Its a fact, there's a cute little group here that slaps each other's cocks around and have a good time, which is fine, but none of them will be playing bonnaroo or SXSW nor will they be pulling in 50 people from outside of SRQ to see a show.

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  20. Does anyone know what happened to that duo black bear? I wanted to see if they need a bass player

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  21. They play as The Send Offs now...they're on facebook.

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  22. Greg Ferris did, to my knowledge, play SXSW with one band or another, though it wasn't a Finch House band (this is a call for someone to supply the correct info about that, whether it agrees or disagrees with my statement). As far as I know about the way booking networks function, that's what I call the precursor to Cats in the Basement or other bands having the option to play in successive years, if they had a desire to take a crack at it. Don't count them out on that score yet, in other words.

    -Matt Murphy

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  23. Also, right on Raef.

    Bars (or whomever) are not obligated to try other acts out, unless they want to. Its up to bands to make opportunities happen, if they really think people need to hear and see them. There are always options; Finch House doesn't control the booking world in Sarasota. See, for examples, Meteor Eyes, Sons of Hippies, and other big-crowd drawers that have nothing directly to do with that group of people, besides maybe being kind of friendly with them (are they? I don't even know that for a fact).

    -Matt Murphy

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  24. Also, try putting together house shows? There have been lots of instances of that working out really well, here and there, which is a great option, even if it needs to be kind of amorphous to keep shut-downs at bay. House shows are some of the best shows I've ever played, in any band, and sometimes even the most profitable. I've been able to get DIY touring bands paid very well just doing house shows here and there. I'm just saying: its an alternative, if you're clever enough, which can open other doors. And, its often a hell of a lot more fun.

    -Matt Murphy

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  25. Greg Ferris played SXSW with Terror Pigeon Dance Revolt. I have great respect for any musician who gets out there and does their thing whether I like their music or not. Keep rocking Sarasota!

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  26. Wow, Greg Ferris played SXSW.

    WHO THE HELL IS GREG FERRIS?!?!? WHO CARES ABOUT HIM NOW?!?!?!

    Case closed

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  27. Terror Pigeon isn't a Sarasota based band from what I've read.

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  28. This is awful http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cSFG0FRIyHs

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  29. this is most fun I've had on the internet since long time

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  30. the punk/poppunk scene has been dead for ages. nothing new there.

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  31. Thank you Matt and Raef. That is why I love you guys!

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  32. Haha Holy Shit. Greg Ferris would contribute to something this benign... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cSFG0FRIyHs Seriously?!? If you like that link, you are the problem.

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  33. Way to go Pete! You've found me out, but it wasn't the beers, it was the fact that you publicly stated that you were backing whoever it was that was bringing a new voice to the scene... I guess I should nave known better than to trust you.

    Well, whatever. Off to burn a few more bridges, eh?

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  34. Marty, I don't know you and I don't agree with all the things said in the blog or comments, but for the most part, as a local, active, original and I believe respected musician, I think its a breath of fresh air.

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  35. The send off band doesn't seem like same guys I saw.

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  36. different drummer, same main songwriter and front man

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  37. Whos was the last drummer, he move? I wanna start a band and drimmers are hard to find

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  38. I don't think you should stop blogging even if people find out who you are. Who gives a shit who you are?! I don't care. And yes you might lose some "friends" along the way but you will gain a lot of fans for speaking your mind freely.

    Don't give up.

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  39. ^Agreed. Even if your identity is discovered, I wouldn't stop this blog. You may lose douchy friends but I'd be interested in a more in depth conversation with you now so I'm sure you'll gain new ones.

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  40. Marty, why don't you write a photography/video blog? Oh wait, it is because you would be the person you'd have to write about on it?
    Because you're photography is a joke and you have the skills of video about the same level as a 12 year old girl with a webcam and a Mac?

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  41. Keep this up bro! Shame on you Pete...for revealing his name...this is a breath of fresh air this scene has seen for a long time.

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  42. I'm the singer from The Send Offs. The drummer from The Black Bear Affair was Dylan Self. He's awesome, creative, possibly the best I've ever played with. Miss playin with him but we had to split due to some personal circumstances. I think he's still in town. You can probably find him on FB.

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  43. I don't care who you are. It's about time someone spoke up. And all of the comments saying, "Omg, you said something bad about this? You're a jerk!" are clearly people involved with the scene. The Sarasota Music SCENE. If/when any of these bands perform outside of Sarasota, they are taking on the risk of receiving negative critique from anyone anywhere. Just because the criticism emerged from within the comfy confines of SRQ doesn't mean their band sucks any less, it just means that not %100 of the people dig their music.. and clearly many other people have felt the same way. It must suck to not be able to express your true feelings out of fear of being shunned by the core. I wonder what that says about them. So, keep it up.

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  44. I have no idea how I stumbled upon this, but it is interesting to see all the opinions. I really appreciate the kind words said about me. From my experience the finch house guys are super nice and positive, they have a vision and will stick with it. All music scenes have cliques, the more popular ones emerge and promote from within. I grew up here and moved back to a pleasant surprise, bands playing shows! Whether you dig the sounds or not whatever dont go do your own thing. Bands come and go usually based on an audience. Everyone and every band being discussed are adults, and critics should be welcomed. Claire I would love to sit on your panel for NO3 BTW. I have actually seen a diversity in the bands playing lately, I was disappointed in the turn out.

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  45. Well said, really enjoying reading these posts and comments.

    I wanted to say something about the Noise Ordinance since Daedelus hasn't mentioned it yet.

    That event or should i say popularity contest is a joke.

    All the Finch House bands get the good slots when the place is packed. Most of the other talented bands but not "popular" get shelved for the day slots. Here is a thought: If you want more people to show up at your show, how about spreading out the "popular" bands throughout the day. That way the place can be steadily full the entire day.

    Noise Ordinance needs serious work.

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  46. Ok... Who.. We have more than "Closet" shows here all the time.. lets do a battle of the bands and see who is best... we would have to have a non involved panel of judges, and We would host it....Seeing that the Blue Owl is so small, we need to have 3 bands at a time here, play once a week, and we should base it on Talent, ability to bring a crowd, and.?? any ideas??? As usual, the bands will get 100% of door..if a door is decided...

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  47. reading all of this makes me smile. It brings me back to a time when music was at least okay in Sarasota, and when people didn't use stupid fucking abrevZ like "SRQ" with a straight face..
    Remember Perks, Riots, Assuck and dare I say Envy of Angels? Plus about 3 handfulls of others?? These bands werent great, but they were a part of a broader, REAL music scene that threw freakish house shows, club shows and everything in between. It wasn't a bunch of poseur art faggots who shmooze with old rich people downtown in hopes of getting their picture in fucking Creative Loafing. The music, the movement and the youth meant something. It wasn't some overly self exploited circus pop garbage, played by kids in their daddy's bad suit.

    Granted, most of these Finch house losers had their first flash in the pan in maybe 2008, when the major scene had grown up and gotten jobs and the music was experiencing a lul. Still though, bands like Resinoth and others were playing college shows, which (thanks to NC) turned more toward art movements in general. It was one of the only places at the time to reach a new audience, what do you do? Cue the new kids--The Murphy siblings, Greg Ferris, Brian Yoder and all their little n00b friends, completely unaware of their city, completely dead-set on creating a music scene from instruments they find at goodwill and dressing like homeless people in the 70's.. The aesthetics of their bands were enough to get them in the door, and then because of their shitty squatter house, full of kids trying too hard, were thought to have an "audience". Its a joke.

    To all of you who remember, keep the light going. This fad will be over soon and someday this obnoxious tambourine will stop playing.

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  48. Well said Wes. Well said.

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  49. Bring back the metal!!!! It's sorely missed. 10 years ago bands like Left Hand Black, Tao, Doc Ruckus...used to rip it up. There was no scene here during that time no FB, myspace...just plain paper flyerd shows. If your band was good..people came. Plain and simple.

    If your band is crap and they all sound the same. Why bother?
    The crowds are all snobs anyway who don't even pay attention to said crap bands that are playing.

    Good call on the toy instruments....it's stupid and you are not clever for using them.

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  50. Wonder what the blue owl will be called next when they crash and burn once again?

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  51. Fuck all of you negative fucks

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  52. Hilarious blog entry, thanks!

    Also, to Wes: I still have an Envy of Angels CD--loved them. Great comment. :)

    To Anonymous looking for metal--you're not looking hard enough. There's some good hardcore still around, granted not exactly like Tao, LHB and Doc Ruckus --some of my all-time favs--but there's still incredible metal around. btw, DR is still sort-of together...

    Speaking of bands from back in the day, remember Klegg?

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  53. *sectarian violence*
    There are still great underground bands here. At the same time, a lot of these so-labeled 'hipster' bands are really pretty enjoyable if you were into that sort of thing.

    The obvious issue here is this phenomena of friend vs foe. You underground bands.. book fucking shows!! You want people to come, promote them. If you hermit yourselves away from the greater public because you're so misunderstood, then you already know no one will know about you. I say this with a heavy heart, cause most all such bands are fucking awesome.

    This all breaks down to what circles you travel in, which ultimately is your decision. Yes, there are cliques in sarasota. Reach out to these people if you want to build the community.. If you're so disgusted by their 'hipster bullshit' that you dont want to be seen associating with them, that's on you.

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  54. YO HOW LONG DO WE HAVE TO WAIT FOR A NEW POST UPDATE JESUS CHRIST!?!?!

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  55. Hey Awesome Blossom! The Noise Ordinance schedule is based on when all the bands are available, not by the "popularity contest". You don't like the way that plays out? Then tell the bands to not have day or evening or night jobs - or other gigs anywhere that night, etc. You have no idea how hard it is to come up with a performance schedule that meets the scheduling needs of 150 musicians, so shove it up your ass

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  56. PS. The Equines played at 2pm at the last Noise Ordinance and they are the biggest Finch House band. so, explain that, asshole

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  57. When the Blue Owl fails...they should change their name to "Shove it up your ass". Thanks Anonymous for the tip.

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  58. You know, it doesn't have to be hard music. It just has to be good music. And I disagree with the notion that it's "about the friends circle you're in". I've lived in Sarasota for years, participated in all the movements listed above and have booked countless shows inthe past from Gulfgate to Club Heat.. This new gaggle of "musicians" drown in comparison to what was and what IS. Look at musicians like Matt Frost, the procurer of the vital band everyone missed out on called The Living Man. That's fucking ART man, and Sarasota had so many fucking Equines shows going on (ofcourse they played every other day) at the time that they were lost in the sea of shit. This music hardly qualifies as "hipster shit" anyway! Look at bands like TV on the Radio or The Black Keys! Thats what many would and DO call hipster bullshit, but they follow their statement up with, "--but damn they are great". I agree with Wes, this little tambourine will end soon and Sarasota will get it's chance to redeem itself again. These kids showed up in the right time and place, that's all. 2008 was thirsty for anything and that's what we got, just anything.

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  59. Ahhh name calling. Someone has had a nerve struck.

    This blog is the greatest thing ever. It's about time the self righteous people had their egos reduced to rubble.

    And from the rubble will rise a better mix of bands. Including metal, punk, pop, hardcore..etc.

    No more toy instruments!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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  60. Would anybody like to specifically refer to the "toy instruments" that keep getting brought up?

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  61. "The Living Man. That's fucking ART man"

    Home run. This band is/was great. Yet, they didn't fit the cool Equines, blah blah, Devin Robinson band, blah blah..Etc. mold.

    So hence, not around anymore.

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  62. Fancy Rat / Sons of Hippies / Bard & Mustache / Harper / The Send Offs / Villanova Junction / Cats In The Basement (minus Ferris)/ The Wallies (minus Neven)

    These acts should be going other places aside from Sarasota. They are beyond talented and need to get off their asses and go forth and create their awesome in other cities. They deserve it.

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  63. It seems like the people commenting on this are stuck in 2008 more so than the scene is stuck in 2008. Take for example, The Equines. Erin has grown into Bard and Mustache, while the rest of the guys, have evolved into Cats in the Basement. You don't get to blame the Equines anymore when you can't book a show

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  64. These have played other places, and bombed

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  65. ^ So has every other band, ever

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  66. Haha^ quit sucking dick. There's a reason they aren't achieving statewide success and it's because other cities who have bands like Set and Setting, Zoroaster, North/South and many more don't want a bunch of dweebs showing up to ruin the vibe.

    There's real music already going on, these kids are an valuable only to their own pals. I've played in Sarasota b4 and our van was laughing all the way home.

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  67. "I've played in Sarasota b4 and our van was laughing all the way home."


    Hahahaha. I always thought this when an out of town band plays. lol.

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  68. wow. someone had something nice to say. thanks for that. by the way The Send Offs definitely have some outside sarasota things in the works. gotta get some recordings done first. which are on the way.

    Also, I've met Matt Frost. Extremely talented and super nice guy. I would never discredit his talent just because his style is not the kind I would typically go out to see. Unfortunately, I never got to see The Living Man. But, I find it impossible to believe the Finch House crew is responsible for them being "not around anymore". Their success is not based on the approval of a small group of people in a small town. Please, Let's try not to be hating on the limited number of us doing what they love here. I've been able to set up some shows with venues completely unrelated to anyone else. It's easy to do shows in this town. Make friends with the venue owners.

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  69. The Living Man is on the 1st Noise Ordinance cd if you still happen to have it sittin around

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  70. Nah, I don't. I'm new to this "scene". Only been playing here for less then a year. I'll check em out though.

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  71. wow, I just checked back in and the comments are still going strong!

    Dylan, I would love to have you on the NO3 panel ... I'll also be updating the NoiseOrdinanceCD.com website soon to accept ANONYMOUS suggestions for improvements for the next one. NO3 will happen next fall, maybe in November. I'm just not ready to jump into the next one just yet. It's pretty damn exhausting to go through that whole process and I need a bit longer break this year.

    The way I see it, each year will be done a little differently, as we learn from our mistakes... but I realize that no matter how we do or don't do it, there's simply no way to please everyone.

    As to the person who asked for the judges names, they've asked not to be named - but I will say that they are all included in the list of thankyou's on the cd jacket.

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  72. In case anyone is in an original band looking for gigs, Pastimes Pub is always looking for acts of all types. Luca, the owner can set stuff up with you, or Noland Zuck from S.O.L. Productions or if you're more of a country/blues/roots act, Kate O'Shea from Root Cellar Ent. has you covered. It's not hard to get out there. Plus Pastimes runs more touring national acts through Sarasota than anyone so there's a good chance you'll end up playing with some amazing acts.

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  73. Like Green Jelly? lol, the national acts that come through Sarasota are ridiculous, unheard of or completely washed up. Only one worth a shit in the last two years was protomen and even they aren't that great.

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  74. ^ Good point, that show you set up was a lot better...

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  75. Hey don't hate on toy instrument.

    <3 Jack and Kristen of Mine Canary

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  76. Noland motherfuckin' ZuckDecember 8, 2011 at 5:47 PM

    I encourage anyone to set up better shows. It's really easy, you just have to be ready to lose your ass on the garauntees when the show flops.

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  77. Anon at 5:30 -- if you think what's being offered sucks, how about providing some examples of what national touring acts you would *like* to see?

    I don't go to shows at Pastimes much because the cigarette smoke is rough on me, but when an act I really want to see is playing there, I suck it up, accept that I'll be hacking crud up for a few days afterward, and go. I've been to and enjoyed the hell out of the Red Elvises and Carolina Still recently. The second might be arguably "unheard of," but they were quite good. And the Red Elvises are pretty legendary.

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  78. I really hope whoever said Assuck and SRQ in the same sentence, realizes that Assuck are still a world reknown band, and they were from Tampa. Don't insult the legend like they were from SRQ. Pretty sure they never played here either, so don't lump them in. Leave heavy bands out of this conversation. We want nothing to do with Scene bullshit ya'll be talkin about.

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  79. Buster motherfuckin' CarltonDecember 8, 2011 at 6:11 PM

    Btw, I cater mainly to the old school punk crowd for a couple reasons... 1. I like the music. 2. The crowd isn't made up of a bunch pretentious, pseudo-intellectual, self righteous dick bags. Its a buncha folks that came to drink, push each other around and rock the fuck out to a fast albeit sloppy band. The new school of most genres is sedated, boring garbage. Hell, half of it you can't even dance to.

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  80. Assuck is from St. Pete, not Tampa

    Respect the legend and learn what the fuck you're talking about

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  81. Just for the sake of posterity, If there were no Neven, there would be no The Wallies

    -Drew

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  82. Reading the few posts that are currently on this blog and all the comments has been the most fun I have had on the Internet in a long time.
    I haven't lived in Sarasota in almost 10 years so most of the people/places/things mentioned here are not familiar to me though I can still appreciate the context.
    I don't think I know the author of this but I praise his honesty, Humor, Opinions and criticism. Its refreshing and entertaining. If the author was to hear my music and wrote about it in the same manor I would be honored and most likely use the bad review in a press release, email to my family and friends and share it with my FB friends no mater how embarrassing or critical it may be. I am not going to post a link here so that it dose not look like self promotion but if the author requests a link I will post it and it will be fair game, all opinions would be welcomed and encouraged.
    its equally funny how many people have their panties in a bunch, This shits hilarious.
    The person who says that they are a venue owner and is Blacklisting anyone or band that contributes support to this blog is a honorable person (from what I can tell by reading his post). Dose anybody know what venue this is? It should be boycotted. This control freak trying to control peoples right to voice an opinion, issue criticism , or agree with something he doesn't agree with by threatening to blacklist people/bands is disgusting behavior. Other people whom have bean singled out (Matt Murphy, The Blue something or other and that Clair person with the website) Have been good sports.

    All that being said, I run an indie rock FM radio station in NY with 190,000 terrestrial listeners and we play some Sarasota bands regularly (cassolette, black bear affair and some others). We play them because listeners voted them into rotation on our website that has thousands of artists and users so I know that people enjoy the music of some of these artists. Again, Im not going to post a link to the site or station to avoid coming off as self promoting, but if someone asks I will gladly post a link.

    That really sucks that someone outed the identity of this blogger and I hope that he will continue posting.
    and seriously, people should boycott that Nazi venue owner.
    -Gabe
    P.S. please disregard my horrible spelling and poor grammar

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  83. Also, Black Bear Affair has performed live on the air on my station from my studio in Brooklyn and it was nice to have a little SRQ in NYC.
    By the way, I am the same guy who posted above as "Gabe G". I just made an account specifically to follow this blog :)

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  84. why don't y'all quit bitchin' about this horseshit.Walk away from yer mommy's Macintosh and go practice yer circuit bent dildo/ATARI ya buncha effin' dorks. anyone with a lick of sense knows the current regime is bullocks.

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  85. i just wanted to say fuck you once. oh and the new cats in the basement cd rocks.

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  86. Yes! Gabe is now in the mix! Thanks for the post homie! So are you referring to www.indiedarkroom.com? Oops, did I just post it?

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  87. yo brah, anyone spare a dollar for a PBR? --- sponsored by your local girl-jeaned hipster.

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  88. For the scene 'sucking so bad' you bitches sure have a lot to say....

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  89. HAHA "circuit bent dildo/ATARI" thats funny.
    hi Ben, yup, thats the place. Cant wait to hear your new project, Keep me posted buddy!

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  90. Gabe-
    seriously the best musician from the area besides bob rigby, or dylan paradise blogging here in fruitville! WELL YEEEEHA

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  91. buddys budddys broski hifive YEWWW

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  92. internet cliques, digital bird houses

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  93. Two comment since I was last here have me perturbed...

    1.) "Fancy Rat / Sons of Hippies / Bard & Mustache / Harper / The Send Offs / Villanova Junction / Cats In The Basement (minus Ferris)/ The Wallies (minus Neven)

    These acts should be going other places aside from Sarasota. They are beyond talented and need to get off their asses and go forth and create their awesome in other cities. They deserve it."

    Alrighty Then. Subtract Cats in the Basement, Fancy Rat, and Bard and Mustache and then you might be correct. I've never heard The Wallies, but Cats in the Basement and Fancy Rat are nowhere near the same league as Sons of Hippies or Villanova Junction.

    2.) "i just wanted to say fuck you once. oh and the new cats in the basement cd rocks."

    Oh really Anonymous? Well I just want to say, you wouldn't what rocks if it bit the head off of your pet bird. You're a fucking human paraquat that doesn't listen to good music obviously...because you listen to cats in the basement.

    Go Fuck Yourself, and Good Day.

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  94. I mean, I haven't lived in Sarasota for awhile, but it sure seems like nobody likes anybody anymore.

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  95. "I mean, I haven't lived in Sarasota for awhile, but it sure seems like nobody likes anybody anymore."

    Don't feel bad Anonymous, you're actually right, and it's an American thing right now. Everybody hates Everybody.

    When the country collapses and becomes a nomadic, cannibalistic, tribal country of hoarders, marauders, and thieves... then and only then, will we be able to level out, and get back to business as usual.

    :D

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  96. It isn't nobody likes nobody anymore...its just alot of the bands here suck. Cats in basement....fancy shit...bitch and the mustache...yeah...we are going to keep hearing from them in year or so.

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  97. I agree that Finch House music is complete shit and most of the musicians mentioned in the comments are artistic ashtrays, but I think you're failing to recognize that, despite the horrible quality, this should be expected. We live in Sarasota, Florida. Our top tier performing venue is the Van Wezel, stomping ground for rich retirees and yuppie white assholes. Half of the population here is over 50. Our night scene is geared towards the middle-aged. Our bars are ugly and unimpressive. Nobody in the country knows where Sarasota, Florida is. We've never been a tangible force in the music world and we won't ever for quite some time, if ever, because our infrastructure absolutely CANNOT accommodate a music scene; we don't have the resources, we don't have the population, we don't have the talent, we don't have press, we don't have the history, we don't have any elements of burgeoning genius and craftsmanship required to spearhead an awakening, we don't have incentive...we don't have shit. We don't even have a fucking contemporary music venue. That requires driving to St. Pete or Tampa, places that also, I might add, have failing and unimpressive local music. And if Tampa is shit, Sarasota is going to be garbage too.

    We don't have a music scene, we have a handful of bored, illiterate suburban white kids who like music, who may even be able to appreciate quality music, but can't make palatable music because they're untalented. It's as simple as that. Music is difficult.

    I appreciate your candor and I know exactly where you're coming from. This place is frustrating and it sucks. But really, what the hell do you expect from Sarasota, Florida?

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  98. Holy shit that comment is fucking brilliant and its why my band will be performing very little in Sarasota in 2012 and putting all energy into Tampa and Orlando although you are right, Tampa is shit as well for music.

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  99. Local music I've enjoyed: Sons of Hippies and RaeF. That's about it.

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  100. I'm being harsh, I know, but I'm also trying to be honest. Our problem is our infrastructure, plain and simple. While I don't enjoy most of the music being created in Sarasota, I do admire the efforts of ANYONE who tries to make a dent, as futile as it may be, including Finch House, even if I dislike their music.

    I suppose I have two major criticisms of the author.

    1) These are obvious complaints and problems.

    2) Sarcasm is the song of a bird who enjoys his cage.

    I think this blog has created some meaningful dialogue and I'll keep reading, but I'm also suspicious of its intentions. Lambasting easy targets is fun but I don't think much is being accomplished. If you're trying to offer a wake up call, fine, I can support that, but I don't think you're enlightening many people. We all know the situation. At least, I think we do.

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  101. "We all know the situation" ... um, no, so many people deny it that are deeply involved its not even funny.

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  102. Well, there seems to be this unspoken resentment of Sarasota music wherever I go, and most people I talk with openly understand the situation. Sarasota isn't special. Most small cities in America have mediocre local music. This is all unfortunate but it's also expected.

    What I do detect is a sense of entitlement, as if Sarasota is different than other small towns in America, deserving of a scene other places don't have. Reality check: we're not. Until we have quality venues that can book quality music, nothing is ever going to happen locally.

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  103. Cris

    It sounds like you don't really like yourself much either. I hope you enjoy spreading oral diarrhea across the city because that's what people hear when you write a 500 word entry that is completely negative. Sure Sarasota is small and has limited venues but that does not mean that there is no talent to be found. Every band has to start somewhere and these musicians are getting their lyrics, sound, and inspiration from their surroundings. Who knows? Perhaps some of your negativity will compel them to become greater bands. Criticism is the fuel for greatness. Still, to me, you're coming across as a pathetic, jealous wannabee who can't write a song but desperately want to. Get over it and practice instead of preaching to everyone how everything 'sucks'.

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  104. It's easy to say I'm projecting, but I'm really not, and I've already said I admire anyone who makes a concentrated effort with their music, but the fact of the matter is that regardless of how "genius" and hardworking an individual is in Sarasota, the infrastructure will not be able to support them and eventually they will HAVE to move elsewhere if they want success, which mirrors RaeF's comment about Pink Floyd.

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  105. People have their heads in the clouds, Cris, you will not get your point across to half of them no matter how clear you state it. Lack of infrastructure and lack of audience that understands live music and, honestly, a lack of defined culture are the reasons even Pink Floyd would never make it in Sarasota.

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  106. The fact that this dialogue is even happening proves that we do have a scene, and that people feel passionately about it. Love it or hate it, it IS a scene.. and it's a strong one. If we didn't have a strong scene there would be nothing to talk about, would there?

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  107. ^LOL. "If we didn't have a strong scene, there would be nothing to talk about, would there?"

    The Scene is SHIT. And that, in turn, is what we're talking about.

    I love people who try to Orwellian Doublespeak and fail horribly. Talking about how there is no scene, means there is now a scene, is like saying war is peace. Just get over yourself already. Fuckin' a.

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  108. All these Pink Floyd comments are irritating me. If Pink Floyd was never heard of before and got their start in Sarasota. They would play probably 2 shows here and never come back. Not because of the shitty scene but because of their talent. All of them are/were a master class. David Gilmour is a 1 in 50 million guitar player.

    The point is...if your band has talent, someone is going to notice it and you'll literally be dragged away from your town after a short while.

    I understand why local bands here go on a short "tour". They want to be exposed to more people. Oh and while I'm on the subject....you are not special nor are you cool for
    going on your "tour". Shut up about it. You are going away from here to play in other cities, there is not need to brag all day long about it. You are paying for it. Not a record label. Anyone can tour..I mean anyone. The shittiest band ever can go on a "tour" if they of course have the money. I digress.

    These bands around here think they are going to be signed just because they are in a band. Do you have any idea how it works today????
    You have to have at least a full length album, website with loads of traffic, 1,000s of fans, packing out your shows every night, have a dedicated fan base that will follow you around at least within 5 counties. The record label wants you to do everything and basically be a signed band before you are a signed band, get it? Then maybe they'll sign you over 10,000 other bands that do the exact same thing.

    So to think that some shitty circus pop band that isn't doing anything that many other bands before it has done...is going to be signed???? now that's a pipe dream of epic proportions.

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  109. Here is yet another reason why the scene sucks and will never prosper.

    Almost all of the people in your scene are fucking hipsters. They have no money to pay for a show or let alone buy a beer. I see them all the time mooching off each other. Is there some king hipster who holds all the money and passes a dollar or 2 out like an allowance???

    "very cool weird 80s sunglasses you are wearing....here is a dollar, you've earned it."

    All the bands sound the same and they are all so desperately trying to be original and non conformist, that they end up all being the same.

    Same bands. Same crowd. Hippies. Hippies have no money. Unless the king hipster is out and about for the night.

    You want to have a scene so you can all suck each other off. Like standing in the front for one or 2 songs that you have heard over and over again. Just so you are seen and you get the nod like you are cool. Then you get your cool points and thats that.

    "Fuck all that shit Silent Bob"

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  110. Awesome Blossom, I agree with everything you've said except your far-reaching and completely incorrect categorization of Hippies and Hipsters.

    Hippies are not Hipsters. And Hipsters are not Hippies. They are two separate scenes. Although the thought has crossed my mind more than once to throw some acid into a Hipster's PBR and just see what happens...

    :P

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  111. I agree that the Pink Floyd analogy is a bit silly, but I think the basic point is sound: Sarasota is never a bridge to any kind of limelight.

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  112. I agree with pretty much everything Gabe said.. instead of getting offended and lashing back, it might be easier on your minds to just suck it up and be a good sport about it. It's just an opinion.

    And the guy who called him out: Just because you disagree with the content, that doesn't give you the right to attempt to sabotage someone else's blog.

    Also, I miss shows at Brownstone.

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  113. Amen to Jessica, Brownstone shows ruled. RIP Earl.

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  114. It seams like the passing of Earl and closing of the brownstone left everyone in Sarasota lost in the woods. RIP Earl. Is that Jessica T.commenting above? If so, hi Jessica and hey Brian.

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  115. The bullshit in all of these comments is not what I wanted to hear when I went looking for the music scene in Sarasota, since I'm a recent transplant. Of course you can't have a successful music scene if you have a bunch of arrogant "hard" douchebags complaining about young hipsters or a bunch of hipsters with no respect for the music, just the fashion. Music isn't about dickwagging, unless you want the 80s back. It's about cooperation, or do you think the 60s English blues scene had Eric Clapton, Jeff Beck and Jimmy Page telling each other how much they sucked? If you get over your attitude and the image, and support budding music regardless if it's too "hippie" for you, then you might find a scene blossom that actually cares for the music instead of using it as a tool to get laid.

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  116. As an addendum to that last comment. So far my only complaint about the Finch House Records(though I haven't been to a show yet) is that all of the clips I've listened to sound like they were recorded in a closet by a drunk and stoned AE using daisy chained M-Boxes and a Samson usb mic.

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  117. Oh, and the Fancy Rat's singer can't keep pitch, at all.

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  118. HEY I found the link to the schedule for the last Noise Ordinance (NO2)... anyone else think the scene is shit (NOT!)or that the schedule favored Finch House bands by having them all take the prime later spots? Awesome Blossom, you are obviously talking right out of your ass. Can't wait for NO3!
    http://noiseordinancecd.com/the-lineup

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  119. The gulf coast has a lot of heavy bands, why were NONE of them in the last 2 Noise Ordinace showcases? I mean, if the whole SRQ music scene is really all about showcasing our diversity, why exclude?

    Answer, closeminded catering and pandering to the same people over and over.

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  120. maybe none of the heavy bands submitted to Noise?? ever thought of that, genius? I'm sure if we asked, Claire and Eddie would post the full list of bands who submitted.

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  121. maybe because every heavy band that exists sucks

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  122. I can attest to one heavier band submitting for the 2nd Noise Ordinance, which was a band I played in. We didn't make it in obviously, but at least we tried. So to the Anon above, I can vouch for that.

    But from reading a lot of these comments, ya'll anonymous posters are buncha cowards.

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  123. You really don't think with over 100 submissions, not one band of that was heavy, genius...you think about that? There sure aren't 100 crappy indie/folk/acoustic/jam/experimental bands in this town. Law of averages would say at least 1 submission was metal.

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  124. hey, all.... yes. I'd be happy to share the full list of bands that submitted to NO2... And the judging website that was set up for the judges to review the submissions and submit their rankings. I can do the full band list now. I had created a pdf checklist for the judges to use as they went through all the submissions....For the site, I'd have to go through and take out the personal contact info (phone numbers, etc) for each of the bands first - for obvious reasons.

    You all let me know if you'd like to see it, or if you'd prefer to just hang on to your bitter opinions of how "unfair" it all was handled.

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  125. Here is the full submission list:

    https://docs.google.com/open?id=0B7Tnjvwi6PsEOTUxMGM2MWUtODU3Zi00YTg3LWE2ZTQtZTJhNzdlZmM1MjM3

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  126. PS. If you don't see your favorite band in this checklist, get them to submit to NO3! We want variety. That's what it's all about.

    Also, no one was entirely happy with the list we ended up with. Myself included. But I had set up a judging panel for NO2 and set forth a set of criteria, so I couldn't just change that later because that would have been unfair. I had to stick to the process and accept the results of the judges's rankings and average scores. NO3 will be done differently, because I didn't much care for that whole process. It was the most fair way I could think of at the time to deal with the fact that we had to turn bands down this year. I didn't have to do that for NO1. I begged bands to participate and got exactly enough to fill 2 discs, but I knew NO2 would be different due to the success of the first one. Turning down bands was the suckiest part of the whole thing, I can assure you, because I knew that meant a lot of very deserving bands wouldn't make it in. Was the process perfect? NO. Was it fair? YES, statistically, but it doesn't mean it was the best approach.

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  127. I also just wanted to say this blog is a shameless ripoff of Something Awful's much funnier blog column: http://www.somethingawful.com/d/your-band-sucks/

    At least you're inspired by quality material

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  128. "maybe none of the heavy bands submitted to Noise?? ever thought of that, genius? I'm sure if we asked, Claire and Eddie would post the full list of bands who submitted."

    2 metal bands submitted.

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  129. I can agree with some of the things said in this blog along with the comments that followed each post. But honestly, this is slowly becoming an outlet for people to bitch, moan and talk shit about each other. Yes. The music scene isn't perfect and everyone's entitled to their opinion. So if you think it sucks, then so be it. Don't go out to the show where the bands that you think are terrible are playing. No one's making you go to the shows. But all the name-calling and petty shit that I've read through all these comments should just be put to rest. It's only escalating into something that isn't necessary.

    Giving objective criticisms and critique on what you would like to see happen to the scene is far more productive than keeping up this dialogue about how hipsters are pieces of shit, the bands that play aren't Pink Floyd ( or whatever big-name band you'd like to use ), or other personal bullshit qualms you may be so eager to vomit onto this blog.

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  130. To Anon at 4:44, Thank you.

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  131. I'd like to see everyone post who they consider to be the best & worst local bands in town. Not just what style you like but overall quality and potential.

    Fire away

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  132. Best- Amazaon Women
    Worst-FreeJacks
    Best-Cassolete
    Worst-That toy noise band

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  133. My favorites: John Q Public, Big Blu House, Sons of Hippies. There are bands I like better in the area, but most of them are actually from Bradenton.

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  134. Although I'd rather listen to every artist listed here (with the exception of Tim Sukits, kill yourself you boring twat.) before listening to whatever sold out mddle of the road garbage that constitutes having a scene.

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  135. Good lord can the hipsters please stop kissing the Sons of Hippies asses? If that's your Everest of Sarasota bands then no wonder this blog exists. Draw? Hahahahahahaha. Never seen them play to more than 17 people. She's kind of cute when not howling like a banshee. It's self indulgent crap. I blame Ringling and all those of that ilk. Fancy rat? My god the horror! Tim sutkis did a piece on them and the video was wretched. The five drunks dancin in it made it even better. But hey at least they had 5 people there, right Timmy?

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  136. This may seem irrelevant but I just had to say that Terror Pigeon sucks massive hairy ballsack.

    Horrible out of tune singing, electro trash synth notes. They suck almost as bad as those little dick stains from "Hangman Jury", not that they are or were ever really too recognized.

    Wow... just wow you guys.

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  137. You'd better watch out. Dawn and the Thought Police from the Cock N Bull will be checking this blog out every day. She will make a list of names, and when you want to go to Sarasota's most powerful local music destination for a beer, she will refuse your $8. She will be there, clogging up the walkway, shouting "Are you Anonymous?" If you feel like spending half of your paycheck, just lie and give her your real name.

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  138. Worst..
    Justin Layman...can't even sing. Decent player....but can't to save his soul. And the fact some people keep booking him shows the lameness of this "scene".
    Sons of Hippies"highly overrated". If this is the band all these little kids worship...kill me.

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  139. Anyone Tim Suckass likes is usually some of the worst bands around here.

    Including himself.

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  140. If Dawn from the Cock N Bull is against the people of this town the right to criticize, against freedom of speech...threatening to not allow any musicians who post here in her forsaken place....then all of us should boycott her place. Not play there or go there ever. See how she likes it when her place goes out of business.

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  141. if you don't like a scene don't go there. Blah Blah Blah...If you want to hear different music I'm sure bands who play the music you like can book a show. The only reason many people go to these shows is to socialize with like minded people. Who really wants to hear the same songs 100 times?

    The point is is most people who go to these shows are all friends or friends of friends and have fun together. Finch House can't play a show at every venue every night. I think what you might be frustrated in that there is not enough diversity in the music scene and that only a specific niche has come to fruition.

    This is not a problem but a start. Obviously this is not the music that the majority of young people listen to, but some do. What needs to happen in order to have a balanced music scene is for other artists to show the enthusiasm that these artists have shown and branch out and network together. Only then will things begin to balance out.

    Don't take things out on Finch House for knowing how to market themselves, book shows together and have fun.

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  142. ^ Agreed. It will be interesting to see how many people show up at the next CnB show after her vicious attack on free speech and inane threats against turning away people's $. HA. As if the Cock and Bull would ever not take someone's hard earned money.

    Inside, she's probably one of those people who wants to pepper spray children in the face at an Occupy Wall Street rally. But settled for bar ownership instead.

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  143. I see less than a dozen bands being discussed here. There are more bands than that in this town. Does this mean that only these dozen or so bands are worth being discussed? I find that doubtful. Look around, other bands book gigs. Other bands play shows. Whether or not they are mentioned in The Ticket or on the SAS website.

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  144. to weigh in on the no2 submission/judging process, i would like to say that i personally didn’t know a soul involved previous to the festival and record release. i submitted a tune, they liked it i guess, it’s on there. for that i am grateful.

    i'm a part of no clique or group of artists or organization of any kind (aside from a small cult)and i knew maybe 10 people in sarasota until this past year.

    having been previously involved in the nashville scene and, to some extent, atlanta and asheville,i feel i have a relatively informed view of what constitutes a viable music scene and how one works. and this one, while flawed at times, is just fine.

    bands that have been around longer and play on a consistent basis have earned power and popularity here, that's how it should be. 99.9% of the artists, at least the one's talked about here, are doing it just because they love to do it. whether i am a fan or not, that is the only reason i personally could ever respect. it isn't like that in places where there is more than a couple dollars at stake.

    the bickering and debating and trash-talking this blog has elicited is actually one of the most familiar and normal things that i can associate with legitimate "scene-hood" as it exists in larger markets. i kind of missed it a little.

    i grew up here. i like it here. every city is different and their musical community and output take on a unique personality akin to the people it is made of. sure we have elitism, gossip, preferential treatment, inflated ego's, fans(the common man)are all but ignored, money is made but not distributed, those involved will nit-pick and slander each other secretly or, now, anonymously and the list could go on indefinitely i'm sure...
    but if that ain't sarasota, florida i'll eat my hat.

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  145. I was enjoying this blog for a minute but it's gone from informative and constructive to just plain mean.

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  146. ^ haha i get it, you're saying theres not really anything of a scene here to be getting so riled up about. that its all pointless and arbitrary. except you did it all in two words. youre really fucking clever and thank you for contributing. :D

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  147. Also lets not forget about the sound ordinance for downtown. Laws can be changed.

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  148. Then get involved!! Tell us what we need to do to make things BETTER!!! Head on over to SarasotaMusicScene.com and tell us what you think!!

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  149. NO 1 was bias as hell for the popular bands. Noise Ordinance sucks anyway. 20 min sets?? Most of those bands are terrible live. Trust me chica. I do know what I'm talking about. Enjoy your hippy crap. If I want a good laugh for the evening maybe I'll come to a show.

    Ps. Stop plugging your shitty website. It's awful.

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  150. This kid... http://youtu.be/p_Sy4S3rad8

    One of the coolest things I've seen locally. I think he's only 19 or something, does it all by himself

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  151. hey where's the next post? are you too busy sweating daedalus? dehydrated? it's been days and days...

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  152. if i were fuckin' king i would change the name of sarasota fl. to "entitled ineptitude" cause 9 times outta 10 i swear thats all i see. tampa bay area death metal was the shit... tired of this yuppie/hippie/hipster whatever the fuck it is it blows donkey dick... music? ohh and btw if you cant play instruments and ya cant carry a tune even if it were in a bucket... dont bring a god damned fucked over rebuilt game boy and bash the shit out of a perfectly good guitar ran through 40,000 effects and try bullshit me into thinking its music or yer a muscian... if i wanna listen to NOISE i'll rock on some japanese Dbeat punk which i almost never do cause i think it sucks also just not as bad on account of the fact that they aren't trying too hard and some of y'all are. sorry if i offend... its not my fault you haven't evolved to carry the weight of a spine. howdaya like for feedback(no pun) on yer local music scene? my $0.02 worth.

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  153. hey Awesome Blossom! I have a brilliant idea for you: DON'T GO TO NOISE ORDINANCE IF YOU HATE IT SO MUCH.

    Jesus Christ, you fucking douche. Surely there are other things you can do in this town that you don't hate so much.
    Oh, and you hate a website? THEN DON'T VISIT IT! No one is holding a fucking gun to your head. God, you people are fucking pathetic. Get a life.

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  154. Hey Sarasota Music Scene stop trying to hotlink your site you whores

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  155. ^ hahahahahaha. that's funny

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  156. I dig Cabal. Nick Kraster, although homegrown, isn't so "indie" since his band plays at Ceviche 2 nights a week, but man! they are a solid band, with a ton of original dynamic meter-toggling danceable songs. I like where North Trail Rhythm Project is going though they are still somewhat nascent. Shades of Phish combined with heavier prog-rock.

    I also dig the efforts of folks at Noise Ordinance and Sarasota Music Scene for at least trying something...anything..to get more ears connected to the music. I would love to see something like CL's Soundboard but with a little description of the actual band's sound.
    If one doesn't know a band, one is less likely to drive 20 minutes and pay a cover only to find out the band warbles out bad folk-y tunes or bellows out norwegian death metal. Give us a clue!

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  157. Somebody put a link on CL. The washed up metal guys are here.

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  158. "Somebody put a link on CL. The washed up metal guys are here."

    So true!

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  159. It's surprisingly delightful watching the entire cast of the "music scene" squirm once the light of judgement has been turned back on themselves. Since my identity has been revealed, I'm afraid I will be unable to continue on with my work here. I feel as if I must retire and rediscover anonymity in the cesspool that makes up this scene. Perhaps an attic I shall seek...

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  160. I'm so sorry to read that you are retiring. Please resurface soon...this was a refreshing shot in the arm, made all the more bittersweet by the Arrested Development reference....

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  161. All right. All right!!

    The party's over. We all know it was me.
    I was "Daedalus Aflame" all along. I just want to apologize for being an anonymous yet entertaining and mostly truthful coward.

    I'd also like to apologize for being such a rich elitist asshole who duped you all into voting for me despite the fact that I've done essentially nothing to turn around this economic crisis. Yes, yes...I know I promised the creation of millions of new jobs with the stimulus and only about 50,000 happened, which were mostly temporary census and government jobs, but I'm still working on it.

    And about the "war" in Afghanistan and Gulf oil spill...well.. the racist white devils are the ones to blame for that.
    Now if you'll excuse me, I have to get back my 10 million dollar mansion and my ugly wife that looks like tall skinny James Brown in drag...but first some hot white stripper bitches to violate and obligatory money burning!

    Ain't I a crazy sandnigga?

    :D

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  162. I can't understand why the Cock And Bull has a cover charge (up to 8 bucks) almost every weekend night nowadays at the front door. Bands should be financially compensated for playing and this I fully understand, but some people just want to go and drink some good beer on occasion after a hard days work without having to pay 8 bucks to see bands which they don't even know. The practical solution would be to move the cover charge and hand stamp station to the back door instead, but maybe the pub would be concerned that many of the patrons would not pay to watch the bands then. I wonder, but if the policy remains as is, then I would bet that the beer enthusiasts (the one's who buy the $8-$12 bottles) will eventually leave. I enjoy most of the bands, and I support them. I just find that the front door policy is not in the best interest of at least a fair percentage of patrons.

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  163. That place is awful, the beer tenders cannot pour properly.
    It's hot, they charge way too much for mediocrity both music and beer.
    Plus does anyone notice their beer tastes funny? Like just off from other places?
    And the staff is rude to boot.

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  164. They have many different bottles but there is no bottle menu, and that is unfortunate for those with less than stellar eyesight or whom lack the patience to stare at the fridge for lengthy periods at a time. As for the staff, it's hard to say. It seems there are different bartenders each time I go there. Most seem pleasant enough, but they don't know their beer as well as they should. The pours are generally quite lacking, and yes, many of them taste as if they are on the way out or on the verge of becoming rancid. All beer at Cock And Bull could certainly be much colder. I generally buy top shelf bottles, but they have now resorted to serving even those high quality bottle beers in plastic cups, which is nothing short of a sacrilege to any beer enthusiast. I'd really like for the place to succeed, but it certainly has gone downhill within the past 1-2 years. In my opinion, for Sarasota beer enthusiasts, Cock And Bull now ranks 5 or 6 (and I'm being generous). I work hard for my money, and I appreciate cold quality beers in a nice local establishment which has good business practices. Cock And Bull is just not cutting it as of late.

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  165. Hey Angry Critic...we need this. Sorry to hear you are retiring. This blog has been the most refreshing thing to happen to this scene. Maybe turn it into something where anonymously angry critics from Sarasota can write in and talk about what is wrong with the Sarasota music scene...keeping your spirit alive!!

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  166. Retiring because you got called out? What a pussy.

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  167. Best Band: Skunk Ape
    Worst Band: Us

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  168. Cats in the Basement, facebook page update on monday morning (12/12/11)

    "Had an excellent week playing glow-in-the-dark xylophone for Mr. Rich Aucoin. Received toy piano and Whitney Houston records upon return."

    If you didn't have any before, it seems that your patron has traded you one toy instrument for the performance of an expensive gimmick. tell that to booking agents in tampa, eh?

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  169. When I found out that the owners keep all the bartender's tips at Cock and Bull, that was when I decided I'd never go support the bar again. Aside from the fact the beer is warm, mislabeled, and highly overpriced. The last time I had a beer served to me in a glass, it was about a year ago, and the glass was so dirty I didn't even drink the beer.

    Add onto that bands getting shafted, and bottles way past shelf life still being sold at $5-$8 or higher sometimes, why would anyone go there? Oh yeah, cause they have a back yard and bring in acts like Fancy Rat. YAWN.

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  170. Fancy Rat, and that's the best of the lot.

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  171. just letting you know that there is an anonymous suggestions box up on the Noise Ordinance website now, thanks to this blog!!!!

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  172. I KNEW IT WAS YOU OBAMA!

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  173. So accurate. Finch House is a clique, and not a very good one at that. They leave out way too many good bands, most of the bands have cheap ass shitty gear, and spend too much time switching members just to get to use a new quirky band name they thought of while guzzling PBR and dressing like whores from a Turkish cathouse.

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  174. If this is sarasota's music "scene" than all hope is lost. She couldn't sing to save her life. embarrassing. I'm actually embarrassed for them.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=z5TafgroV5E

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  175. the REAL president ObamaJanuary 1, 2012 at 4:00 PM

    I am the president. Do not listen to imposters.

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  176. http://www.linkedin.com/in/jhlichtenstein

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